Board Thread:Pokémon Help/@comment-31398341-20171026040947/@comment-31398341-20180320132101

Z-Moves cannot break through Cosmic Power + Minimize Clefable due to increased bulk.

Everything in this game is counterable, but some of them needs super specific counters and it's stupid to have to bring in the counters for the specific brainless mons and if you don't bring counters you'll lose.

And I'd like to put evasion discussion down. Just move on.

Discussion points:

Milotic (Re-Entry) : Unranked >>> C- / C

Even though I said Milotic was outdone by other water types in every way and it never has anything stands out of water types, it is able to compress roles. To illustrate, being a bulky water type that is able to use Haze, having access to reliable recovery and has decent offensive stats could be enough to be ranked, at least in my opinion atm.

Hoopa-Unbound : A+ >>> A-

Ninjawarrior made a valid point back then, but I oversell the Pokemon. It is still the best special wallbreaker in the game, but it is difficult to fit in the teams due to the lack of defensive synergy. The meta does not favor it either, since hyper offense, which Hoopa-U shines in, is the least viable team archetype in PBB.

Slowbro (non-mega) : B+ >>> B- or lower

Since Toxapex released, it gives Slowbro stiff competition. While it has more offensive presence, Toxapex's ability to stop setup sweepers, offers utility to the team (Toxic Spikes), better defensive typing and noticeably better defenses are more appreciated than what Slowbro can do. Toxapex is also much easier to build around.

Swellow : Unranked >>> ???

It is honestly somewhat threatening with Guts + Flame Orb. I don't know where to rank it though.

Quick Update :

Mega Sableye : A- >>> A

Self-explanatory one. Despite limited to stall team archetype, it is very capable in fulfilling its role. It offers too much utility to be in A-.

Crobat : B- >>> B

Being a revenge killer that has supportive abilities, Crobat can pivot, use Defog, and be a good check to the meta (Mega Lopunny, Marshadow, Mega Venusaur). The usage rate also supports its greatness. It's better that most, if not all, of B- rank mons now.