Board Thread:Pokémon Help/@comment-31398341-20171026040947/@comment-27535813-20180321070742

Hayds126 wrote: I want to put down evasion too but everyone hates it soo much. I rarely play evasion myself because it’s not my sort of play style.

PBB is not supposed to be played from smogon formats. But everyone wants it to be played this way because they don’t know how to handle these issues when they come up.

I never mentioned anything about countering it with z moves. That would only work best if this Pokémon was a wall anyway.

My arguement for ranking evasion is for the fact that it exists. You don’t need to rank them all suer high either. It’s far from metagame defining. If you hate evasion so much think about this way.

What if someone’s uses evasion? The new competitive player gets help from this thread and don’t knows how to handle it. Therefore lose thanks to your hatred on evasion. You call it unskillful suggests you even know how to handle it.

I don’t get why you want to put timer stalling as better than evasion. It’s just for awful players that don’t know how to adapt and win using some conditions. The game is never supposed to be played like that. If evasion was broken gamefreak would have nerfed it anyway. Allofyou just said to put the discussion down, can you abide with this? The argument will most likely go in circles anyway and we'll never arrive to a conclusion.

Just to add in some things:

-I agree with the addition of Milotic again, role compression can be handy at times(which makes teambuilding slightly easier) and Milotic isn't too horrible, but honestly outclassed by a bunch of things(there's a difference between self-viability and spot competition). It could stay in C- rank at least.

-Not much thought on Hoopa-U other than like what you said, HO playstyle is honestly kind of bad. Some say that it's the easiest as all you have to do is just click to kill and switch, but I disagree. HO isn't easy at all since you'd have to make sure every mon you use can be preserved in some way without gaining too much chip damage from constant switching. Additionally, mindgaming is very important.

-I agree with ranking non-mega Slowbro lower, just like Slowking, both of them are decent at best. C+ to B- rank works for me. Sticking with B- though.

-Swellow w/ Guts and Flame Orb is ok, I honestly don't see it that impressive since longevity is going to be an issue and its general physical moveset doesn't really have great coverage. Still, nice speed stat and attack stat becomes pretty good after Guts boost. Probably C to B- rank? Sticking with B-.

-The quick updates are fine, Mega-Sableye is a pretty common staple in stall teams so I'm not surprised. Crobat is also fairly common along with Mandibuzz since they're viable Defog users for the time being. No one uses Swanna, Braviary, Pidgeot, Noctowl, Shiftry, Swellow, Drifblim, Chatot and Archeops to defog right..? Scizor, Lurantis and Decidueye deserve a special mention I guess, but usually they either have better movesets or are just outclassed in being a Defogger.