Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31398341-20170409101440/@comment-31398341-20170422051259

Jinx666 wrote: Quagsire has stockpile, which makes it sp.defensive tanky aswell. Stockpile is also easily set up, due to a lot of people not knowing Quagsires ability, and therefore setting up right in front of it with physical attackers. When it can toxic stall recover gardevoir after 3 stockpiles successfully (Tested and Approved), i say it should be a lot higher

Unaware Quagsire is a counter to Aegislash, Quagsire even when not EV trained can OHKO a blade form aegislash, and stealth rock damge would not reduce gliscor to half damage.

Also, a aegislash after a Swords dance is most likely to use shadow sneak than iron head, and even so my gliscor has been able to tank a 4+SD aegislash

Also im bringing Donphan into the discussion

With Ice shard and maxed Attack stat, it can 1v1 skymin (even if skymin survives 1 ice shard, donphan has sturdy, which assures skymin is down)

Donphan also gets utility moves such as knock off and Rapid spin, which can definitely say no to galvantula and other stealth rock setters

Hes tanky and defensive, though while he does lack in Sp.defense, i usually run an assault vest, of which does give him a little special bulk, while also investing like, 100 into Sp.def

Overall though, i would put him in with the C+'s Stockpile makes Quagsire specially bulky too, but he does not have much opportunity to set up. Especially when grass type and powerful special attackers are still not eliminated. Its passivity hurts too. But as you said, its niche of countering some specific mons (Aegislash / Tyranitar / Excadrill / Azumarill / (Mega) Gyarados and Mega Char-X) makes it a decent pokemon especially after considering that Choice Band is unreleased, which makes Quagsire difficult to be overwhelmed by physical attackers. Although it is a niche pokemon, it is strong enough to rank at B as of now.

For Donphan, while it faces competition from Hippowdon, Stealth Rock is unreleased, which is very crucial for Hippowdon. So, Donphan is an interesting defensive spinner. As of now, it is mostly compete with Tentacruel as a defensive spinner. Tentacruel has a better defensive typing, can learn Toxic Spikes and has better speed. It also has far higher speed, which is a rare perk for utility pokemon. Not to mention that it can learn Acid Spray to beat Calm Mind users and also has Scald to burn physical attackers. Donphan only has a small niche over Tentacruel, which are better offensive presence and immunity to electric types.

Quagsire : Unranked >>> B

Tentacruel : C >>> C+

Donphan : Unranked >>> C-