Board Thread:Pokémon Help/@comment-31398341-20171026040947/@comment-27535813-20180322105306

Hayds126 wrote: Just wondering, how is ash greninja at B only? With it’s incredible power (on par with mega evolution if not better in some cases) despite not having protean is still very great. Not sure if you could count it as a life orb variant or it’s own set but how about a waterium z set? I would say specs but waterium z can do. Use greninja to revenge kill, activate its ash form and snowball.

Personally how i use it is to kill with either z boosted hydro pump to activate the battle bond. Then just use it as a string sweeper. Water shuriken always hits 3 times at 20 base power each, equating to a 90 base power (including stab) move. Factoring in stab, prioirity and breaking through sturdy/sash or a sub(maybe) it can be pretty threatening. Perhaps not the smartest strategy but it works pretty well for me.

With U turn you could create a good volt turn core (without a tapu Koko though). U turn helps keep up momentum too.

Maybe I’m a bit biased with the rank since it’s my second favourite mon but I think at least a B+ mon for sure. At most I would say A rank but since it doesn’t have all tools available such as the specs and some ally Pokémon (like many other Pokémon) maybe not quite there yet.

As for guts flame orb swellow, it’s got pretty awful bulk. Roost could helpful sustain but I’m nothing sure if it’s enough. Could an evasion move be worth it? According to most people on this thread it’s not. Then again I’m only theorising here so not sure if it could work in paper. Swellow packs some decent punch with that facade. B- or C+? Ash-Gren can use Waterium Z too so even though Specs isn't out yet Ash-Gren will work out well, and yea I agree that it should be ranked up higher. B is a bit too low for something that has top notch offensive stats as well as good speed tier.

The main issue with Guts Swellow is because it doesn't get good coverage. Heat Wave is necessary for it to hit Steel-types that it otherwise can't dent, and running Scrappy as its ability instead of Guts means it doesn't have to worry about not being able to hit Ghost-types if all you want to do is spam Boomburst(which does a ton of damage). Also just a side note but let's not talk about evasion: If we do, it'll just be a case of Swellow being god-like because it can avoid every move, spam roost to stop burn damage and then proceed to spam Facade or Brave Bird.