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TotalDiscord wrote: Allofyou wrote: TotalDiscord wrote: Allofyou wrote: Minershrub wrote: Things noobs do:

Spamming a protecting move besides Kings shield/Spiky Shield without poisoning/leach seeding/burning your opponent

Valuing speed more than any other stat (Magikarp and Zubat give speed EVs for a reason)

Using a rock type other than archen

Literally having ONE TYPE OF MOVE on a pokemon1 1. Not always, Protect + Leftovers set is possible on some pokes such as Suicune. 2. Speed is more important on many mons (Like Crobat and Mega Lopunny)

3. Best rock type available is Tyranitar

4, Mono-attacking Clefable and Suicune is an actual set.

Still a good list though :). Mono Fable Dies to heatran. Mono Suicune does not enjoy a hello from water absorb.

Best rock is Mega Dactyl.

Valuing speed over everything else is bad, because when it cant survive that OHKO without extra HP investment..... And they want speed.....

Protect Lefties is only worth it, on Walrein when it's snowing with leftovers and ingrain, aqua ring, and leech seed baton passed by smeargle. Then you can use protect.

Erm... Let me calculate that... 6% + 6% +12% + 6% + 6%.....

36% Per turn. Snap. Clef is not supposed to beat Heatran anyway. It is a perfect counter. Also "switching" is available. Role compressing can reduce the effeciveness of each mons. Like Suicune should not stay in water absorb mons anyway.

Mega Lopunny normally uses 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Speed with Jolly nature. It is not supposed to tank a hit. It is used as a revenge killer. That's why speed is more important. The same goes with Crobat. Top 20 ranking players use this spread for a reason.

Protect Leftovers is on Suicune bc of pressure PP stalling (which is boring). But it is never worth it anyway. Smeargle is unavailable now so yeah. .... I was talking more GENERALISED, but yeah, Mega Lopunny definitely needs it's speed. The thing about both of those pokemon, is that it essentially forces a free switch, which can be used to devastating effect. I know switching is available, it's because of that why the counters are so powerful.

'Role Compressing'? Many things can easily take it. Switch a good Breloom in and suicune suffers one of two options: Die, or switch out. Most people would switch in a fire type with a coverage move against water, if they had it. Taking advantage of prediction, you can double switch to a pokemon that can easily beat the Pokémon that's being switched to. (OK, this is getting really confusing)

Pressure stalling is boring. Wouldn't you simply set up, then attack it on the turn it can't use protect?

I was talking about people who put speed on like, a steelix, because 'it needs speed'. Fast sweepers, definite!y put speed on. (Or a choice scarf). Again, generalisation.

Also, are you suggesting I'm not a good player? OK, just misunderstood what you are saying. I did not try to shade you at all. Sorry for a misunderstanding :). What you are saying is definitely true. Which Steelix needs speed right? XD.