Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31398341-20170409101440/@comment-31386746-20170414072529

Allofyou wrote:

Trevastyah wrote:

Allofyou wrote: Trevastyah wrote: btw, mega sableye not here? (Despite being UBER in smogon) and isn't togekiss the flinch hax king? Mega Sableye only works on stall team, but PBB lacks great stall mons such as Chansey and Skarmory. Its role as a Magic Bounce user (deflecting status) is not as useful in PBB too. Status moves and stealth rock is rarely used in this game. Its defenses, even when invested, is still somewhat underwhelming (2HKO by M-Char Y). For Togekiss, I listed Flinch Hax set as Nasty plot attacker, which it uses Thunder Wave, Nasty Plot, Air Slash and Roost. Maybe I should move it up to B+ because Thunder wave + flinch hax is great (and change the set name too). Idk why I listed support set as B rank though. Wishpassing is probably not as good as flinch set. :) I got a little salty at " Status moves and stealth rock is rarely used in this game." but it is true sadly.. Will-o-wisp is quite useful for shutting down physical sweepers and there are other quite useful status moves such as spore and such and its sad that some people are not taking advantage of this. Btw, isn't cloyster would be lower since it is quite vulnerable after shell smash even with focus sash due priority moves being a thing? Yea true, status moves are highly underrated. Forgot to mention sableye has zero offensive presence too.

Agree on Cloyster, it is actually very strong after shell smash but offers zero defensive synergy with any team. It also cannot switch in to take an attack. Priority moves as you mentioned is also an issue too. Its unique typing make it the best ice type currently though, but probably not anymore after 7th gym update. Maybe I will move it down to A- as of now. May move down later again if Weavile or Mamoswine is released. Probably why Cloyster is a late-game sweeper.