Board Thread:Pokémon Help/@comment-31398341-20170703145512/@comment-31796688-20180212153206

Jerdeboi wrote: Allofyou wrote: No....., just no dahling.... You just gave out wrong information. You also never take "SPEED" into account, in case you know it exists. Blaziken outspeeds and kills Zoroark everytime. Both Charizard forms can OHKO Zoroark while Zoroark fails to do so. Mega Lucario outspeeds and easily OHKO Zoroark everytime. Also, Zoroark has little real advantage over Hydreigon and other dark type wallbreakers like Hoopa-U and Greninja. There's next to nothing that Zoroark can do and other dark types can't do while they can do many things Zoroark can't. Obviously, its REAL USABLE niche is Illusion. Give me a REAL niche outside of Illusion but you'll never find anyway. Boy Oh boy! you sound quite ticked Now, first off I used base form blaziken, and I if I remember correctly zoroark DOES outspeed base form blaziken and the same with mega blaziken on the first turn, the last time I remembered 339 is greater than 299 Now to Both charizard forms, 339 to 328, The only pokemon that you are correct about outspeeding is lucario, who has a 70% Chance of being OHKOed anyway by focus blast and comparing zoroark to greninja and Hoopa is comparing a sweeper to a wallbreaker, they have different jobs in a team, while hoopa is a wallbreaker, zoroark is a Lead. Finally zoroark does not even need to OHKO both zards, all it needs is either a switch in or a flinch to kill both zards

You're not listening.

Blaziken does outspeed zoroark after a speed boost. Putting zoroark against blaze blaziken isn't really fair.

Also, who in their right mind uses special blaziken outside of a niche set. Even if you somehow outsped blaziken or hit it on the switch, you still wouldn't be able to KO it before it OHKOs with Flare Blitz or HJK.  252 SpA Zoroark Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Blaziken: 57-68 (36.7 - 43.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Mega Charizard Y is also able to switch '''TWICE ''' into zoroark and OHKO it with any of it's boosted STABS.

'''252 SpA Zoroark Night Daze vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 61-73 (39.8 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO '''

252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zoroark in Sun: 156-184 (115.5 - 136.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Not to mention that zoroark can't flinch Charizard because it gets outsped.