Board Thread:Pokémon Help/@comment-31398341-20170703145512/@comment-32418800-20170713102531

Trevastyah wrote: Bestname2017 wrote: you think cinccino is overrated XD? cinccino gets more multi hitting moves than cloyster, doesn't need to set up and can hold a life orb for extra damage

I got the stats from a webstie called pokemon showdown.

Cinccino

Trait : Skill link

Naturre : Adamant

item : Life orb

EVs : 252 Attack, 252 Speed and 4 Sp Defense

Moves : Bullet Seed, Rock blast , Tail slap and U turn

it has 317 Attack andthe life orb boosts it too + 329 Speed with this set

Now tell me how is that overrated? First off, it is a frail pokemon with 60 base defense and Sp. Defense so it gets defeated very easily by the likes of Priority users and Faster Pokemons like Kabutops, Breloom, Mega Lopunny, and Infernape.

It didn't even made it above the RU Tier and it is outclassed by Cloyster due to its superior offensive typing.

Its Base attack stat is 95 which is mediocre-good at best w/o any boosts and it will be life-orb stalled by the likes of phsyical walls specfically, steel and ghost types like Aggron, Steelix, Dusclops (although, it doesn't like knock off) and even Chansey if the Cinccino is not holding King's rock and the chansey keeps on using soft-boiled.

Cinccino's typing doesn't help it either offensively as its only STAB "multi-hitting move" is Tail slap which doesn't really cover anything or defensively as it is only not affected by ghost and it gets hit by almost everything with normal damage except for fighting which would be supereffective.

It doesn't even get anything that boosts its attack or speed stat further unlike Cloyster.

Cloyster can even run a mixed set as it can utilize Hydro pump for a better Water hard hitting STAB than Razor Shell unlike cinccino

Now tell me, what does Cinccino do better than Cloyster and M-Heracross other than having "3" Multi-hitting moves? cinccino can learn U turn from TM and after all the 329 speed stat isn't bad at all and Y would you even use cinccino against defensive walls or tanks? I would switch to something else like a lucario to take it out AND cinccino doesn't need to hold a mega stone or a focus sash like hearcross or cloyster. It's ez to counter cloyster with stealt rock, spikes , toxic spikes orany priority moves. Unlike heracross who is 4x weak to flying and cloyster who is weak to rock and with lycanroc midday becoming meta it will be hard to set up cloyster cuz accelerock is priority. cinccino only has 1 weakness (fighting).

Like if you see a strong fighting type what would you do? I would switch or use U turn. I mean cinccino is good cuz it can take out almost a whole team alone. after all cinccino isn't an arceus or a mega rayquaza who can sweep a whole team alone.

and for cloyster : how to counter it with a single lucario : use aura sphere to get it down to sash and bullet punch or extreme speed to take it down soit can't even get a single hit off.

cloyster does get better STAB but in a 1v1 cinccino would win cuz of the life orb + rock blast is super effective. cinccino can't learn physical priority moves but it is still good. If you know how to use it and what pokemon you need to look out for it can sweep 3-4 pokemon with out set up unlike cloyster.

After all  I still think cinccino is still good. There are only 2 priority fighting moves : mach punch and vacuum wave which no one really uses so it's hard to out speed cinccino and use something super effective. You are right with it having bad defense and special defense but cloyster has bad base special defense and it will have ok defense if you use shell smash so they are almost the same in defenseive stats. This is all I wanted to say.