Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31398341-20170409101440/@comment-31398341-20170422142554

Jinx666 wrote: Honestly, its obvious when a poke has a surprise grass type move, whether they switch into it, or its a common move on those pokemon

Bisharp is a good pokemon to help quagsire, which can beat both alakazam and gengar, while also resisting most grass types, though bulky grass gives it problems, so yeah.

Id also like to suggest where ambipom would be

While it can fake out last resort a lot of strong pokemon, it is shut down by many things such as intimidate, tanks or any steel,rock and ghost types.

For this, i would probably make it C-, or D+

As you said for Ambipom, it is shut down by many things. Also Fake Out + Last Resort is better used by Mega Lopunny (which ia still extremely niche).
 * Also requesting a manaphy downgrade to the C area, its mediocre speed allows a lot to outspeed it, and possibly OHKO it, while the sawsbuck coffee isnt reliable enough to carry it so high

Yeah, and about Manaphy, it is mostly a special stallbreaker that can break through most walls after Tail Glow boost. Ice Beam and Energy Ball also complements most of its weakness. It is not meant to do most things against faster pokemon, but instead breaking through walls. While having somewhat average bulk and speed hurts, C rank is an overkill. With those faults, it is not as good as those A-ranks for sure. However, it is extremely good as a Speed Boost recipient (with Scolipede). Therefore, its fault is mostly compensated. Its dependency does not make it as good as A rank though.

Manaphy : A >>> A- with Speed Boost recipient stallbreaker set, and B+ on regular stallbreaker set.