Board Thread:Pokémon Help/@comment-31398341-20171026040947/@comment-32358261-20171213013006

Ninjawarrior93 wrote: Hayds126 wrote:

Yes I know flynium z boosted fly can nuke things easy but the same power if not more can be found with other flying moves. After that first use, you can’t use it anymore and now you essentially have 3 moves unless you plan to use fly normally for whatever reason. You are right that Fly is unviable in Competitive Play without Flynium Z, but I think you're missing the point here. A reason why we call z-moves 'nukes' is because these can only be used once and it allows certain Pokemon to break through certain threats or walls in general. There is no reason to run some other flying-type move that can be used more than once but have no value in hitting anything. 175 Base Power is definitely not something to scoff at.

The thing is Z moves aren’t always that useful since they are only single use. There are rare occasions when a nuke move needs to be used and you have to predict them right. Z moves don’t have lasting effects on the battle and may only slightly change the battles overall outcome.

That’s why z status moves usually better since they have lasting effects on the battle until a switch out or ko.

I am not doubting the power z moves can dish out but you need to find the right moment to do it. They need to be timed perfectly to make the most out of them. That’s why you need a reliable move to base the z move off. Z moves negate all extra special effects whether good or bad so it’s best to use them on really hard hitting moves like close combat, hurricane, Flare blitz, hydro pump, frenzy plant etc.

Z boosted fly hits hard yes but z moves should be based off moves that do over 100 base power normally. If your only option is something lower then fine but for the most part, the Pokémon does have a better move