Board Thread:Pokémon Help/@comment-31398341-20170703145512/@comment-30245053-20180212180514

Allofyou wrote: And yet Greninja is a lead and outdone most things that Zoroark can, such as better coverage, speed, typing and can setup Spikes + Toxic Spikes. Blaziken uses Protect + Speed boost anyway, Then, it proceeds to KO Zoroark. I did not say anywhere that Charizard forms outspeed Zoroark, both just outright OHKO it anyway. Flinch is very luck based, since there is 20% rate of flinching, there is 20% of Zoroark winning against them. And who switches in Charizard against Zoroark anyway? Zoroark can never beat Mega Salamence reliably, even with Focus Sash (3HKO, while M-Salamence OHKO it easily). Greninja could do it with Ice Beam before Mega Salamence uses Dragon Dance, and can reliably beat it if equipped Focus Sash. Before you give some "critical hits" and "flinch" situations, I ask again, specifically, what's a real niche of Zoroark over Greninja outside of Illusion, which is not always reliable?

The one niche that greninja has is situational at best, and at worst can be the undoing of greninja, and why waste a turn setting up toxic spikes for an excadrill or foretress to simpily switch in and rapid spin them away or a toxapex to absorb the toxic spikes when you can have greninja run 4 attacks and abuse protean? Now for zoroarks niches (OTHER THAN ILLUSION) Acess to knock off and U turn, Swords dance and nasty plot, and also acess to trick