Board Thread:Pokémon Help/@comment-31398341-20171026040947/@comment-32358261-20180320061530

The thing is PBB doesn’t implement clauses. If it did then whatever. I’m just gonna say that evasion is annoying yeah but many things in competitive can be just as infuriating. For example flinch hax. Or stallers are also pretty annoying. But they all have counters.

An argument I often see is that it’s luck based and not competitive. Yeah it’s got luck involved but it’s about learning to adapt and work around it. Having a bit of luck based combat isn’t gonna kill competitive play (only thing killing competitive is hacking and toxic community). Also it’s pretty hype to see something with low odds actually working. So it can even help improve the competitive scene in general in moderation of course. If everything was fully competitive no luck based skill only then Pokémon would be much more bland in my opinion. Like the combat isn’t something too special and unique anyway.

I’m not saying use moves like Ariel ace to counter evasion. You could if you wanted to but of course the low base power. Personally I think the power of these moves should be raised to 70 at least but that’s just a different debate. Neither do I say z moves should be used to counter evasion. You can use accuracy boosting moves too like hone claws if need be.

I think the reason why people hate evasion so much is for 2 major reasons.

1. Smogon bans it. Smogon is so big that everyone follows their rulesets. This is partly why I don’t play smogon. It’s good for getting an idea for what sets you want to run but after that I might add evasion/accuracy moves (if need be).

2. Thanks to this, no one is prepared when faced with evasion. So often lose. I once saw a battle where someone was faced with this and you know what they did. They timer stalled the opponent to force them into a forfeit. It’s disgusting.

I would understand evasion nerfs back in gen 4 and older. Fair enough because there weren’t as many ways to counter. But now? Really just learn to git gud and adapt. This reminds me of bayonetta in smash 4. Is she strong yes. Is she ban worthy? No. Not by a long shot. You just SDI.

So for anyone that’s a Smogon crybaby, just stick to smogon. It works for you. Don’t try other metagames and voice your opinions on them. Unless it’s something nice to say.

Seriously evasion isn’t even the most common sets. I went to the PGL and had a look at usum’s current rating battles (this metagame allows evasion and sleep) and evasion even wasn’t a dominant play style at all.

Can’t deny that I had some fun with evasion. If you begin to see some evasion set you take them down ASAP. Can we all just agree to disagree now and leave this argument. Just rank the minimise clefable/any other evasion users. Personally I think a set like that would be A rank. Not S rank material because of how uncommon it is and that checks and counters can prevent this with ease.

I would like this thread be as accurate as possible without the flaws of people’s own opinion on a strategy let that affect it. For example if mega rayquaza was ranked, it should still be ranked no matter what.